The Buddha’s silence on atta = SELF

 

 

On another occasion the wanderer Vacchagotta went to the Blessed and exchanged greetings with him.

Then he asked: “How is it, Master Gotama, does SELF exist?”

When this was said, the Blessed was silent.

“How is it, then, Master Gotama, does SELF not exist?”

And for a second time the Blessed One was silent.

Then the wanderer Vacchagotta got up from his seat and went away.

 

Now after he had gone the venerable Ananda asked the Blessed One:

“Lord, how is it that when the Blessed One was questioned he did not answer?”

“If, when I was asked ‘Does SELF exist?’ I had answered ‘SELF exists,’ that would have been the belief of those who hold the theory of eternalism. And if, when I was asked ‘Does SELF not exist?’ I had answered ‘SELF does not exist,’ that would have been the belief of those who hold the theory of annihilationism.

Again, if, when he asked ‘Does SELF exist?’ I had answered ‘SELF exists’, would that have been in conformity with my knowledge that all things are not-SELF? And if, when asked ‘Does SELF not exist?’ I had answered ‘SELF does not exist,’ then confused as he already is, Ananda, the wanderer Vacchagotta would have become still more confused, assuming ‘Surely then I had a SELF before and now have none’.”   S 44:10

 

Note how you, the reader or hearer, is being set up. Vacchagotta should have first asked: “Master Gotama, what do you mean when you use the word SELF ?” (In short, “Define your term of reference (hence premise)!”)

Since the Buddha did not once during his 40+ years of teaching define the meaning of the word atta (i.e. SELF), the above discussion is spurious, i.e. Buddhist ‘leading’ rhetoric.

 

 

The Buddha further on SELF

 

See if you can uncover the flaky reasoning derived from an assumptions that are ‘un-apprehendable as true

 

“Bhikkhus, the possession that one might possess that were permanent, everlasting* ….do you see such a possession?”

“No, Lord.”

“The SELF-theory clinging whereby one might cling that would never arouse sorrow and ... despair* (i.e. distress) in him who clung thereby; do you see any such SELF-theory clinging?"

"No, Lord.”

“The view as support that one might take as support that would never arouse sorrow and ... despair in him who took it as support; do you see any such view as support?"

“No, Lord”

“Bhikkhus, there being SELF, would there be SELF’s property?”

 “Yes, Lord.”

 “And there being SELF’s property, would there be SELF?”

 “Yes, Lord.”

"Bhikkhus, SELF and SELF’s property being un-apprehendable as true and established, then would not this view ‘This is the world, this the SELF; after death I shall be permanent, everlasting, eternal, not subject to change, I shall endure as long as eternity’ be the pure perfection of a fool's idea?”

“How could it not be, Lord? It would be the pure perfection of idea.” M.22

 

*… ‘Permanent, everlasting and free from sorrow and despair’ (= distress, i.e.  dukkha) are assumed by the Buddha to be prime qualities of the SELF. The assumptions are ‘un-apprehendable as true’.

 

 

The following clip is of extreme importance since it provides the bit missing from the notion of sunyá in the Heart Sutra.

 

“ ‘Empty world, empty world’ is said Lord; in what way is ‘empty world’ said?”

“It is because of what is empty of SELF and SELF’s property* that ‘empty world’ is said, Ananda. And what is empty of SELF and SELF’s property? The eye ... forms ... eye-consciousness … eye‑contactany feeling ... born of eye-contact … The ear, etc.... The nose, etc.... The tongue, etc.... The body, etc.... The mind, etc … any feeling whether pleasant, painful or neither-painful-nor‑pleasant born of mind-contact is empty of SELF and SELF’s property.” S. 35 : 85

 

The Heart Sutra